Showing posts with label 2E. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 2E. Show all posts

Sunday, September 26, 2021

A New Package Arrived....

I have been pretty busy the last few months since moving into my new house and with the summer being the busy time for the bus building business.  Things are leveling out and slowing back down to normal so I will be able to blog more often instead of relying on fan film posts. I have made some purchases in the meantime and the latest purchase had the following five books.

I received the AD&D books with the original covers as a gift from my Uncle in the summer of 1980; along with Deities & Demigods, the Monster Manual, and a ton of dice.  I would obtain the Monster Manual 2 and Unearthed Arcana later. I do not recall ever owning the Field Folio; no particular reason why other than I never did own it.  

I left for the Army and decided to not take my books with me because I did not want them getting screwed up or anything.  Well, they wound up missing when I came back from the Army 8 years later.  I am in the process of rebuilding my old collection all these years later.  I plan on getting both Monster Manuals and Unearthed Arcana again; this time I will even try to get a Fiend Folio.   

I never owned nor did I adopt my game to the AD&D 2nd Edition rules.  I browsed the books upon release when on my friends bought them but I pretty quickly developed a negative opinion because of the missing content - assassins,  half orcs, monks - and what felt like moving from the big table to the kids' table.

I admit that I never gave AD&D 2nd Edition a fair shake back in the day.  I have played a few one shots while I was in the Army and the game seems to play just fine.  I have also looked at some of the 2E retroclones and those really sparked my curiosity about giving the rules a second chance.

I was able to obtain the three core books along with the AD&D books so I am off to a good start.  I do like these black covers much better than the original covers so that was a bonus for me.  I actually thought the Monstrous Compendium loose leaf monster pages were a great idea in theory but turned out be be not so great in practice.  It is also kind of jarring to see the DMG so much smaller in thickness than the PHB when compared to the original AD&D books.  I am going to search for the Options books just to see how the game would change with the use of those add-ons.

Now I am off to do some reading...


Sunday, November 11, 2012

[Re-Posted & Expanded] Second Thoughts About Second Edition

There has been several posts (The TSR Reprints Keep Coming and Second Edition Core Rulebooks to be Re-Released in May) at other blogs about the upcoming reprint of the AD&D Second Edition core rulebooks in May of 2013.  I thought this was a perfect time to re-post and expand one of my earlier blog posts about AD&D Second Edition.  The original post is presented as it orginally appeared while any updated thoughts will be presented in this format.

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I admit it - I'm taking the easy way out and doing a lazy post today. I'm taking this opportunity to say "I didn't give second edition a fair chance". Of course, the second edition I'm talking about is the AD&D second edition. I remember the buildup to the release in Dragon magazine. I was pretty excited and was looking forward to the new books.
 
I guess you  could call this a lazy post also but my life is so busy right now with work, school, kids, and whatever other random crap pops up that it is probably the easiest way for me to stay posting until the end of the semester.  I am excited about the 2E reprints and I will be picking them up.  I have not picked up the AD&D reprints but I seem to be able to find those pretty easy around here.

My buddy Jamie got the 2E PHB and we went through it cover to cover. I liked the clearer language and organization but I did not like what I felt was the "de-Gygaxing" of the rules. That pretty much sums up my impression of the core books. It felt sanitized and politically correct with the removal of Assassins, Barbarians, Half-Orcs, and many of the monsters. I never bought the second edition books and never played in a straight second edition game either.
 
Yes, I know that was pretty close-minded on my part.  I could have easily used" any AD&D material that I wished.  It would have been a matter of simple conversion to the updated rules.  In reality, it would have been a smoother transition between those two rules and later editions.  I could have used the guidelines in the DMG to attempt to standardize the bard, for example.
 
I have had the opportunity to look at the core books again and I must say that for the most part the game is better explained, organized, and presented. Plus, it's close enough to AD&D to add back in anything that got "left out". So, on a second look, I would play in a second edition game IF it was limited to the core books, certain first edition material added back in, & house rules. I do know for a fact that I would avoid the Complete series of books and kits altogether.
 
I still pretty much feel the same way after looking at several of the books full of kits.  I think they were a good idea that just snowballed out of control - much like feats and prestige classes in later rules.  I think that a short list of kits to personalize each class would probably be the best idea with the focus squarely on campaign-specific kits.
 
 
There it is - a quick and lazy post. I'm hitting the sack. Maybe I'll write more about second edition sometime if I pick up the books or maybe one of the 2E retroclones...
 
Like I said, I am planning on picking up the AD&D Second Edition reprints.  I have also looked at some of the 2E inspired games.  While M&M does have several vast differences, I believe it would make for a fine game.  Adventures Dark & Deep - if I am remembering correctly - is supposed to be a "Gygaxian 2E" and I would very much like to see it completed just for the interesting "what if" potential and the debates that would assuredly arise from that game. 

Wednesday, October 5, 2011

Second Thoughts About Second Edition

I admit it - I'm taking the easy way out and doing a lazy post today.  I'm taking this opportunity to say "I didn't give second edition a fair chance".  Of course, the second edition I'm talking about is the AD&D second edition.  I remember the buildup to the release in Dragon magazine.  I was pretty excited and was looking forward to the new books.

My buddy Jamie got the 2E PHB and we went through it cover to cover.  I liked the clearer language and organization but I did not like what I felt was the "de-Gygaxing" of the rules.  That pretty much sums up my impression of the core books.  It felt sanitized and politically correct with the removal of Assassins, Barbarians, Half-Orcs, and many of the monsters.  I never bought the second edition books and never played in a straight second edition game either.

I have had the opportunity to look at the core books again and I must say that for the most part the game is better explained, organized, and presented.  Plus, it's close enough to AD&D to add back in anything that got "left out".  So, on a second look, I would play in a second edition game IF it was limited to the core books, certain first edition material added back in, & house rules.  I do know for a fact that I would avoid the Complete series of books and kits altogether.

There it is - a quick and lazy post.  I'm hitting the sack.  Maybe I'll write more about second edition sometime if I pick up the books or maybe one of the 2E retroclones...